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![[*]](./images/xpsilver/default_icon.gif) posted on 5-4-2005 at 06:34 PM |
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Jupiter seems a long way from down under
i feel compelled 2 respond 2 an interview i read - 'AUSSIE FUCKING HIP HOP Maya Jupiter on the advancement of Hip Hop in this country' - published
in Beat magazine, written by Flagrant, issue 954, printed 23rd March 2005 -
When asked about 'dealing with the powers that be' and 'their attitude towards Hip-Hop in Australia' Maya responded - 'I think in 2005 they are
definitely becoming more open minded and excited about it. I think the toughest thing is how do you make it work? How do you bring it onto a platform
that we can showcase in Australia? So how do you package it? How do you show it to the nation? What do you do with it? I think they are really excited
about it now, they see how popular it is and how much it means to young people. They see it as the language of youth culture but the challenge is
where do you go from there?'
I challenge:
The fact that the 'powers that be' r 'open minded and excited about it' is a reflection of the fact that 'the powers that be' see a market trend
n they wish to capitalise on it.
The 'toughest thing' is feeling n capturing the ever changing vibe n communicating that with charismatic skills - people creating and writing music
everywhere r already feeling n sharing with us how 2 'make it work'.
We got all the 'platform' we need - all the bands, djs n emcees I've seen have had the privilege of a stage….. in my opinion - a 'platform' in a
'showcase' is not that the place where aussie hip hop should be heading - n anything that is on a 'platform' in a 'showcase' has nothing to do
with the concept of free flow - which 2 me is the beating heart of hip hop - its gotta rise from broad n deep roots - n u can't do that from inside a
glass house.
Anything that is packaged presupposes the contents are 2 b used n the packaging b discarded after the contents have been depleted. This comment
reflects 2 me that the 'powers that be' r keen for Maya 2 produce a 'package' - cause they can sell a 'package' - the image that came 2 my mind
as I was reading this was a twisted evil chess board – representing the strategy plan of liberal economy - with Mayas head as 1 of the pawns - all the
pawns heads being icons of market trends – I realise that's a little harsh but u know…true…
U don't want 2 need 2 b 'show(ing) it to the nation' - hip hops something u gotta feel, not b sold on – aussie hip hop is selling well right now -
n the last few years - because it charismatically captures what we're feeling. If hip hop follows Maya in2 the main stream – it'll b reduced in
quality n maximised in quantity – so 'the powers that be' can maximise off her ignorance n indulge their greed
What u 'do with it' is realise its power - n learn 2 understand n respect the position ur in - u protect it from becoming obsolete like everything
else that gets packaged, showcased and sold - like everything else of value drowning in this image saturated, grimy economic sea.
I've already explained why 'they are really excited about it now, they see how popular it is' - but because of 'how much it means to young
people' Maya should b asking questions about how 2 protect the quality of hip hop that is already being created, shared n appreciated by young people
- not thinking about how hip hop can b packaged n sold by the 'powers that be' - u gotta build a stronger base - not assimilate with the mainstream
- if u do u come outdisadvantaged.
'The powers that be' r right 2 'see it as the language of youth culture' - it is - but if packaged, showcased n sold its content will b used n
discarded by the mainstream commercial world - which is fine with me - let people like Maya Jupiter go out off on a commercial tangent n sell out
aussie hip hop - let her and 'the powers that be' waste it on compulsive consumers -
the quicker they use it up n throw it away - the quicker 'the powers that be' will pull out the foot they're trying 2 wegde in the door of hip hop
culture - n those who r truly representative of aussie hip hop can keep on feeding the broad n deep roots that hip hop evolves from - n that can only
b done from the underground, not the spotlight.
a strong foundation has already been established 4 aussie hip hop - 'the challenge is' maintaining the strength, depth n direction of this hip hop
current that so many of us r riding right now - n after hearing her new music n viewing the chain of media stints ive seen Maya in lately (especially
her appearance on Girl TV, the most horrific arvo kids show ive ever seen) - where she should 'go from there' - is back 2 the drawing board.
Thanx anyway 2 Miss Jupiter - I do c what she's trying 2 do - n kids workshops n all that stuff r really nice band aids for our serious social
problems - it just seems 2 me that she lacks the depth 2 fully appreciate the position shes in - Maya's response to Flagrant's question is typical
of the discourse of the media marketing world shes been lured into - It sounds 2 me like shes spitting back out words that have been fed 2 her - n
that should b embarrasing for someone who is happy 2 step into the spotlight n b sold off as our country's hip hop representative - she is only in
the spotlight because shes marketable -not because of talent or depth of insight - n certainly not by record sales - those who are truly into aussie
hip hop already know who the real representatives r or should b.... I just cant help but wonder if Maya knows that...
i took me a while to stop talking about it n actually write it down n share it with some1, most of my friends dont really give a f*ck about hip hop so
they suggested i send a letter to those that might - even if u dont give f*ck, thanx 4 reading this far anyway!!
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| posted on 5-4-2005 at 07:03 PM |
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I definitely get where you're coming from man, but the thing with Maya, it's not that she's being a puppet for some media individuals, it's just
that she is coming from a different mindframe to you. If you look under her CD in the case you can see something she wrote about how she "is hip-hop
whether you catch me breaking or dancing the salsa in an RnB club", and that "when we start to put labels and definitions on what hip-hop is we
destroy the whole point it was created in the first place", or something to that effect (feel free to correct me).
I'm not saying I necessarily agree with her, but the thing to understand she just has a different, much more positive (some would say naive) approach
to the whole underground/mainstream debate - as alot of artists with bills to pay do. And she's not saying anything that hasn't been said before,
just as you're not either...
It's this continuous debate which apparently can be classified into the hip-hop "purists" versus those who are more "open" to the idea of the
mainstream.. and I don't think it will ever be resolved unfortunately. Everyone just has to do their thing.
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| posted on 5-4-2005 at 07:30 PM |
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yea well said Notion.
I know that Maya wouldn't want hiphop sold out to become a cash cow for commercial corporations (alliteration is great hey), but at the same time I
also think she has a desire to be able to live off something she apparently loves..which i think is fair enough too..
I could sit here and be an elitist/purist wanker all day (and for the most part i do) but seriously, where's that gonna get me?
Nice discussion though.
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I dig both point of views but in terms of 'where does it go from here?' - that seems to really imply (in the context of the rest of the quote - i
haven't seen the article so I'll take the re-quotation at face value) the need for something external to the scene/community/culture to come in and
paternalise what's going on when this clearly is not wanted or required.
Look at the Hoods/Obese success - what could something external to the scene do bigger in Australia? The events that go on - again, apply same
question. Community workshops?
I think we're pretty lucky in Australia and one of the things that I think we're lucky NOT to have is a fulltime commercial rap and R&B radio
station. I only say that from the point of view that every scene I have seen with one (look at France especially), the media gets dominated by crap
and thsi becomes self-perpetuating because to get played u need to make crap.
It raises the same sorts of issues we discussed in the Triple J novelty rap thread a while back...
One of the reasons i pulled out of writing for 3d, Inpress and other mags as well as doing the show was because I wanted to get back to what I dug
about hip hop - the experience of hip hop, not the rationalisation of it, not the 'where does it fit in the bigger scheme of things?' analysis...
just let it exist in you however you want it to exist.
Unfortunately when you do interviews for more generalist press you have to rationalise a lot of stuff. I prefer the Zen approach.
Mark
[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Stealth Magazine]
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Go Maya.
I respect Maya. She has it hard trying to be friends with everyone, but her loyalty does lie with the Australian underground side.
and f*ck teh powers who be. We don't fucking need them, so i could care less about them tosspots.
thanks Histamine...Appreciated.
and also. Maya Jupter ultimately is our representation of hip hop to the media & is as good as it will get. She's attractive, personable &
accomodating. 3 things that the media love. We have agreed to disagree on things. Me: I'm ANTI US accent, Maya, not so much. And she has been
approched by labels to get more jiggy with it, but she won't do it. She prefers the the same kind of stuff we all do. Her knowledge may not be so
great, but here heart is in the right place, even though she tries to juggle all teh sides so as not to rock the boat.
Whereas I will rock that bloody boat, her captain & all the crew on board.
You want Figg Kidd to represnt us?
[Edited on 5-4-2005 by idiotproof]
[Edited on 6-4-2005 by idiotproof]
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| posted on 5-4-2005 at 08:27 PM |
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IP - you're such a little gossip-er... hahaha...
One thing anyone who tries to take anything away from Maya should try to catch is footage of her in MC Battles a few years back destroying many a
strong posturing MC.
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| posted on 5-4-2005 at 08:28 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by idiotproof
Yah well news at hand is that May has had a falling out with teh people from Urban Hitz magazine. Apparently the editor Simone stated taht becasue she
has had Maya on the cover, taht Simone should be a judge in recent emcee comps & that she should be invited onto the triple J show to promote her mag
as a means of reciprocation. Maya, said that there was no way she could be a judge because she isn't an emcee & that she was a bit pushy. (all this
is 2nd hand from someone else) Then things got steamy & Maya had the shits & is maybe even realising that the R & B people are all half wits who for
some reason want us to all be friends becasue we all think taht Jay-Z is the worlds greatest rapper & that Tupac (Simone even said to me taht she
disn't think Tupac ever raped anyone, he wouldn't do such a thing?????????????????????) is the new Messiah.
Go Maya.
I respect Maya. She has it hard trying to be friends with everyone, but her loyalty does lie with the Australian underground side.
and f*ck teh powers who be. We don't fucking need them, so i could care less about them tosspots.
thanks Histamine...Appreciated.
and also. Maya Jupter ultimately is our representation of hip hop to the media & is as good as it will get. She's attractive, personable &
accomodating. 3 things that the media love. We have agreed to disagree on things. Me: I'm ANTI US accent, Maya, not so much. And she has been
approched by labels to get more jiggy with it, but she won't do it. She prefers the the same kind of stuff we all do. Her knowledge may not be so
great, but here heart is in the right place, even though she tries to juggle all teh sides so as not to rock the boat.
Whereas I will rock that bloody boat, her captain & all the crew on board.
You want Figg Kidd to represnt us?
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Will this see Maya pull out of hosting the 'Australian Freestyle Championships'? Due to her falling out with UHM??? Since they are one of the main
sponsors?.
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| posted on 5-4-2005 at 09:39 PM |
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Lads & General Pants crew alike, we all love Maya. But only the lads know where Maya's come from & where she's still @.
We all(well most of us)have jobs where we gotta deal with conflicting ideals, but its how you deal with them that shows your true culture.
I agree with Blaze's view & am proud to say that Maya is 'ace number 1 hip hop representin'.
word to the mutha....
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People usually ask her the same boring questions. Maya might be guarded if she knows you actually know about hip hop. She may feel challenged & avoid
a direct opinion. She doesn't want to offend people. (It's not her role, leave that to me Ha!) But she's a lovely girl & nothing like how you
thought she may be. She actually makes you feel special. Just one of those vibrant positive people.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stealth Magazine
I dig both point of views but in terms of 'where does it go from here?' - that seems to really imply (in the context of the rest of the quote - i
haven't seen the article so I'll take the re-quotation at face value) the need for something external to the scene/community/culture to come in and
paternalise what's going on when this clearly is not wanted or required.
Look at the Hoods/Obese success - what could something external to the scene do bigger in Australia? The events that go on - again, apply same
question. Community workshops?
I think we're pretty lucky in Australia and one of the things that I think we're lucky NOT to have is a fulltime commercial rap and R&B radio
station. I only say that from the point of view that every scene I have seen with one (look at France especially), the media gets dominated by crap
and thsi becomes self-perpetuating because to get played u need to make crap.
It raises the same sorts of issues we discussed in the Triple J novelty rap thread a while back...
One of the reasons i pulled out of writing for 3d, Inpress and other mags as well as doing the show was because I wanted to get back to what I dug
about hip hop - the experience of hip hop, not the rationalisation of it, not the 'where does it fit in the bigger scheme of things?' analysis...
just let it exist in you however you want it to exist.
Unfortunately when you do interviews for more generalist press you have to rationalise a lot of stuff. I prefer the Zen approach.
Mark
[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Stealth Magazine] |
the Edge 96.1 sorry
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| posted on 11-4-2007 at 11:08 PM |
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Wow that came out of the vault.
PS Maya Jupiter is hot.
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| posted on 12-4-2007 at 01:32 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by herb
Wow that came out of the vault.
PS Maya Jupiter is hot. |
lol...word
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