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A hip-hop odyssey - SMH 9/4/04
A hip-hop odyssey
April 9, 2004
A class of her own: Maya Jupiter outlines the four pillars of hip-hop. Photo: Marco Del Grande; chalkboard from IKEA,
02 9418 2744.
Maya Jupiter is showing me how to get the party started. "You've gotta hype the crowd," says the Sydney hip-hop artist,
punching the air and dancing on the spot with the grace of a featherweight boxer. "Say 'Put 'em up! Let me see your hands in the
air!' "
My palms are sweating. I'm grasping my microphone like a pilot trying to pull an aircraft out of a nosedive.
"Yo, yo," I say, in a desperate attempt to ease myself in. I'm fairly sure I heard Eminem say something similar in the movie 8 Mile.
Jupiter isn't impressed and stops the music. "Don't say 'Yo'," she says. "Yo is wack. Say 'Uh, c'mon.
Yeh, c'mon'." In the mouth of an experienced - and, let's be frank, beautiful - 25-year-old rapper, these phrases seem natural and
completely authentic. Mumbled by a nervous 40-year-old man with an accent shaped by a decent English school, they fall limply onto the studio floor
where they wither and die.
"Er, come on," I say like a teacher admonishing a dim student. "Come on."
Like many men my age, I have a secret passion for hip-hop. I love its aggression and its "phat" beats. I'm what's known as
"old skool" - I still know the words to Grandmaster Flash's 1982 hit The Message - but I'm perfectly willing to give today's
generation a go. Jay-Z and 50 Cent are on high rotation in my car and I sometimes fantasise I've got a 9mm stashed under the seat instead of a
tennis ball and an old copy of The Trading Post.
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The idea of becoming a rapper seemed crazy at first. But, really, how hard could it be? You don't need to sing a note, the rhymes are rudimentary
and the grammar's terrible ("So come give me a hug if you into getting rubbed," raps 50 Cent on In Da Club).
My hip-hop odyssey began earlier at a workshop at Glebe Town Hall. My tutor was Bravo, a charming 22-year-old who runs a weekly class for rappers
willing to "push themselves outside their comfort zone". I was outside my comfort zone calling someone Bravo, so it seemed a logical place
to start.
Arriving at the town hall, I half expected a class of sullen introverts - alienated kids with bad attitude. The reality was quite different.
Bravo's students were a mixed group of bright, attractive youths in their very early 20s. Complex handshakes were exchanged.
It was a bit like walking onto the set of a Pepsi commercial.
This was a freestyle workshop. For those not immersed in hip-hop - a culture whose four pillars are breakin', DJ-ing, MC-ing (rapping) and
graffiti art - freestyling is the art of making up raps on the spot. We threw topics at each other - travel, work, paint - and started to rhyme.
"Go full force," advised Bravo. "Blow the crazy shit out of the corners of your mind." He meant we should keep rapping even if our
mind was blank; our subconscious would fill in the gaps. I asked if there was a danger our subconscious would throw up something embarrassing, like a
long-held attraction to Guns & Ammo magazine or a banned sexual act?
"Oh yeah, it's happened," says Bravo cheerfully.
As the only myopic member of the class, I was given the topic "glasses". I mumbled something about Clark Kent and "making passes at
girls in glasses". My "flow" was slower than a blocked sewage pipe, but the class applauded politely. I felt strangely exhilarated:
maybe I could do this?
The next step was to choose a hip-hop name. Your mum may call you Anthony, but a name like Tonedeff is more appropriate when you're hanging with
your homies. I asked Bravo's students for a suitable pseudonym for a mild-mannered, 40-year-old rapper from Coogee. "MC 40," was the
first suggestion.
"What about Square For Art Thou?" said Arrow, a dark-haired girl from Enmore. Smitten by the name's Shakespearean "flava", I
decided I'd found my perfect hip-hop handle.
My first job as an L-plate rapper was to get something down on paper. Jupiter had advised us to "write what you know", so guns, crack and
bitches were off the menu. I needed a rap that explained my world - 20 minutes later, I had it.
Straight Outta Coogee
I come from Coogee y'all, only metres from the surf. The real estate's inflated, but it's my favourite bit of turf.
Drive a green Mazda hatch, my mechanic thinks it's wack. Two people in the front, my shopping in the back.
Drink lattes at the cafes, do yoga when I ache. Busting laps at Wylie's is the way I stay in shape Bling ain't my thing, but I've gotta
nice watch. It's made by MC Seiko, cost a lot more than a Swatch.
Get my clobba from Dee Jays, 'cos I'm too old for Marcs. Wear Birkenstock sandalz on walks in national parks.
Got a mortgage and a cat, but I ain't wed. I'm not gay, just ain't met the right girl yet.
Excited, I emailed Straight Outta Coogee to Heidi Pasqual, founder of Sydney's all-female hip-hop label, Mother Tongues. I realised my gender
prevented her offering me a contract, but wondered if Square For Art Thou (or S-FAT 1 as I had already taken to calling myself) had a future?
Pasqual had no doubts. "Does the world need a white, middle-class rapper from Coogee?" she mused. "The question is, should that group
be denied a voice? I don't think so." It was staggering. Two days in and there was already a music industry buzz around S-FAT 1. Sensing an
opportunity, I fired off my rap to a bunch of prominent American hip-hop record labels. Def Jam didn't reply and I'm still waiting to hear
from Tommy Boy and Bad Boy Records.
I'd almost given up hope, when an email arrived from New York's Skygod Entertainment. Pat Rocco, Skygod's chief executive and No. 1
artist (he raps as Lordroc) was eager to give S-FAT 1 his props.
"Stay true to what you do and sooner or later people will take notice," wrote Rocco encouragingly. "There is a big Christian rap market
out there. Target that audience first, then try to go mainstream."
A few days later, Bravo called. He suggested the next step in my career should be to test my freestyle skills in a rap "battle". Battles, as
anyone who's seen 8 Mile knows, are verbal stoushes in which two rappers put each other down with as much wit, style and foul language as they
can muster. The winner is decided by the audience's applause. I asked Bravo how he would "attack" me if we were matched on stage. He
didn't pull any punches:
"You're feeling the burn of my rage on the microphone.
When did they turn this club into an old age home?
You want me to come at this man with a flaming attack?
OK, as long as you don't blame me if he has a cardiac.
Arrest of his chest when I flex my wit. In this test I'll impress while this grandpa has a fit.
He's tall and he's scrawny. His calls are so corny. But it's not his fault - the poor guy just turned 40!"
Nufunc, a Wednesday night hip-hop event at North Sydney's Greenwood Hotel, was to be where S-FAT1 would launch himself, destroying rival MCs with
his tough-but-fair rhymes.
As I walked into the hotel, I felt ready. Jupiter had suggested I upgrade my image with a Cyber Thief T-shirt and a pair of Nike Air Force 1 sneakers,
but I didn't want to conform to a hip-hop stereotype. My Gap jeans, comfortable suede shoes and plain brown T-shirt were simply a cloak of
conformity disguising the "mad skillz" within.
The air was heavy with smoke and beats. At one end of the room, a DJ was spinning vinyl, his body casting sinister shadows on the walls. MC Losty, an
experienced rapper from Blacktown, grabbed the microphone and fired up the crowd. A sea of baseball caps nodded in unison as Losty prowled the stage
and called for battle volunteers.
"Are you good?" yelled MC Losty. Hands shot up among the young, predominantly male, crowd. MCs with names like Ballistic, Chameleon and
Double D were eager to rumble.
The first battle got under way.
"You f---in' wannabee, you f---in' punk," screamed a skinny kid at his opponent. Their faces were inches apart, but his target
didn't blink.
As each new MC took the stage, my resolve began to crumble.
I sensed the crowd would not appreciate the gentle rhymes of Straight Outta Coogee. In my heart, I knew S-FAT 1 was out of his depth.
Fifteen minutes later, Coogee's first 40-year-old rap star was in a taxi, heading south over the Harbour Bridge. I remembered Eminem's
words: "You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow/This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo." For an instant I thought
about turning back. But Lateline was on and I hadn't fed the cat.
Maya Jupiter
"I'm a positive MC. My lyrics are optimistic, but if you want to step to me, let's go! I've still got that battle cat in
me."
Maya Jupiter's hip-hop journey started in her early teens, when she would sing along to records by Salt-N-Pepa and Naughty by Nature. Born in La
Paz, Mexico - her father is Mexican, her mother is Turkish - she chose Maya as her "artistic name" when she was 17. Today, she's one of
Australia's best-known hip-hop artists, the host of Triple J's Hip-Hop Show and an educator, who runs music workshops in conjunction with
South Sydney Youth Services and Redfern PCYC.
Maya Jupiter's album Today is out now on Mother Tongues. Bravo's freestyle workshops are held every Saturday at noon at Glebe Town
Hall. The cost is $5, phone 0423 986 465.
Nufunc is held at the Greenwood Hotel, North Sydney, every Wednesday, 8pm-1am. Admission is $10/$5 for members, phone 9964 9477.
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Whilst impressed with the passion of these heads the journo still takes the piss outta the culture.Why?I hope he crashes his new red Ferrari while
going through his mid life crisis.
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| posted on 10-4-2004 at 07:57 PM |
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mmm yeah
my first reaction was to roll my eyes.
then i thought, maybe i should read it before i dismiss it. so i got my specs and a cuppa and was disappointed.
this is the kind of weak, tourist writing that goes nowhere and fails to get across the complexity of hip hop. it relies on stereotype and jokes to
convey a fairly bland 'message'
shame, really. better get MY write on. ha. ha. ha.
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I thought he was taking the piss outta himself more than outta the culture.
It did make me cringe in bits, but overall pretty entertaining. not bad
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Richard Jinman needs to get off the bandwagon
Honestly, so what if he knows the words
to The Message, so do 99.9% of other people
that were into popular songs in the 80's,
for f*ck's sake I've walked past the Burdekin
on a Friday Afternoon and some DJ will be
playing shitty refuse disguised as music and
then bang the Message comes in, oh wow
what a surprise. Has he heard of the Fearless
Four, Cold Crush, DJ Hollywood, Chapter Three,
Just Four, Pookie Blow, Grand Wizard Theodore.
Going back to the article he then goes on to say
'I'm willing to give today's generation a go',
he lists 50 Cent and Jay Z. My friend
there's a shitload more than that, damn
Ghostface, Cee Lo are saying that 50 Cent isn't
coming with lyrics, he is a marketable commodity,
nothing more same with his whole G-Unit entourage,
keep on making those wack sneakers and join the
other 50 million other shoe companies who are
jumping on the whole 'old school' sneaker
bandwagon.
How hard can it be, he says, well it's a
lot harder on writing an article on a culture you
know nothing about. Funny, I don't see him doing
a weekly radio show or doing interviews for no pay.
I wonder how much you got for this assignment Richard
and stop quoting 8 mile go and watch Freestyle: The Art
Of Rhyme or better still go and hunt down hunt down the
documentary on Columbian Hip Hop where,
where kids relatives are kidnapped and a country
where thugs pour sulphuric acid on people after
they kill them so they're families can't recognise them.
Do you still wish you had a gun under your seat?
A lot of people have made sacrifices for the
artform that Mr Jinman thinks he can summarise
in a two page story, fights with family members,
being obsessed with it, breaking up with girlfriends/
wives and doing it because this is the only thing they
know.
It's funny while we're on the subject I remember at
the Stealth conference one of the journalists from the
Metro section saying we wait for people to send us stuff,
for fucks sake give the job to Blaze, Mark P, Mark H,
myself, Frenzie anyone who spends 24/7 seeking out new
music, stop thinking that because you get a paycheck
you can get away with writing Bullshit reviews and PR
pap articlesm don't even get me started with the Tabloids.
Run an article on how Graff is vandalism and then say how
fashionable graff prints are on t-shirts. f*ck I was in QVB,
just passing through and Versace have Hip Hop T-shirts
and there are stores such as Ghetto shoe concepts in
Darling Harbour with surprise surprise Puma Suedes.
Ha, let's see how long all these bloodsuckers last.
If Jinman's article was on jazz, rock or the works
of a famous author / artist and he wrote this drivel
it wouldn't be tolerated.
[Edited on 12-4-2004 by Size 13]
[Edited on 14-4-2004 by Size 13]
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I felt like he was taking the piss out of himself but disrespecting the culture, he had no idea of hip hop.
It looks like he wants to live his Eminem fantasy, I just hoped he asked his mum first.
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size 13
woah woah feel the verve of your invective from here-- write a letter to the herald, email him this thread, just dont let it die here if you are that
shitted off.
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It was another lame attempt from a misguided hack.
Shame he had to taint Maya with his stupid brush. Anyway, she's a trooper & he's a useless journo if that was the best angle he could
come up with.
PAthetic & sad.
Oh why o why?
also means that the next time I read something from him, I'll take it with a grain of salt.
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this is the same as the thread posted at ohh.com, about ian maxwell's book "phat beats dope rhymes"-- a lot of ppl pretty shitted off
or disappointed or just shaking their heads... i think as writers in the public eye, jurnos and authors need to see the effect hey have. i'm
going to track this guy's email down and see if i can email him this thread. maxwell is next.
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Now that I have had some time to think about where this guy is at...he is not to different to a lot of the "academic writers" that Hip Hop
is producing at the moment.
There are a lot of 30+ people out there that now have the time, money and education to start writing about things that they had to leave behind in
search of more career and monetary (life) based goals.
Not everyone has the time or the ambition to be fully involved. I just did a review on Patrick Neales book “Where you’re at” and as it is different in
the sense that he takes a global view of Hip Hop rather than “where the scene is at now”, but he was looking to other places, other experiences, in
order to feel that he is still connected with the scene.
We make choices everyday about what makes us happy, or what makes you feel that we belong to a group, culture, or family. Hey..I just found out I can
get fat laces from my local skate shop (some skinny dude used to sell them at the Marble here in Melbourne for $10 back in 1985!)
There are times that periodically we seek these things that make us feel whole, even if it is just to “catch up”. Point at me personally for that last
statement…I just spent Easter with a brother and sister I am lucky to see once a year. But that was enough to recharge the soul.
People may only see or find solace in Hip Hop once a year, and they feel happy with that. Others need it every day.
At least he took a step to make himself involved, as superficial as it seems. Personally I do not own anything by Jay Z or 50, but that is what is
available at the local record store, and that is what people are buying.
I’m happy with what he wrote because he did what he wanted to, felt at home (in a sense) and at least tried. Writing about it was incidental to the
experience I think (and hope).
[Edited on 14-4-2004 by Michael Robinson]
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Mike it was lame.
Not very good at all.
All about having an 'angle'.
It was a dumb one.
Straight up. again I weep...
If we lay praise, even a small amount on such an attempt, then what does this send out to other lazy journos. They just keep doing it...and get paid.
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Re: Writing letter, emailing thread
Unless someone of a higher stature
within the Hip Hop community feels
the need, then I am quite content
with that post. If someone gets
his email, then by all means send him
this thread. Do you think he'll care,
though. I doubt it, to him it's just
another story he needs to get in by
the deadline for the weekend paper.
Maybe he should go and listen to
3:16 by Murs, it even had me
questioning how worthy I am.
But he probably rarely listens to
Hip Hop, except when he wants
to try and be hard. Forget a gun
go out in to Sydney CBD at 3,4,5am
I've seen people get knocked out
cold, their head bouncing off the
concrete. You're such a hard man
aren't you, Richard? I think the reason
you wish you had a gun is because you're
frightened that your card might be
pulled, but only you know that?
Blaze, I remember you wrote a letter to
Sydney Scope for their diatribe refuse
on the 2 Dogs album. Now see if someone
who has actually been part of the
culture more than half their life
feels the need to write a letter,
then that's more than understandable.
Sometimes the aftermath of getting
shit of my chest, is telling
myself to shut up. See I just did it
then. Far from a cop out, I just feel
that there's no need for an outsider
to broadcast his views, when
respected veterans don't feel the
need. Correct me if I'm wrong?
It was a piss poor article,
but should we be surprised?
[Edited on 14-4-2004 by Size 13]
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If he really wanted to be in the culture then why would he make comments like “I sometimes fantasise I've got a 9mm stashed under the seat”? or
that “guns, crack and bitches were off the menu.” Even when he went to rap workshop “half expected a class of sullen introverts - alienated kids with
bad attitude” To put those lines in an Australian hip hop article shows ignorance and a complete lack of respect.
To think you can write a paragraph of rap and get some respect for it is utter bullshit. MC's write pages before showing anyone or even dare
calling themselves an MC. If Heidi from Creative vibes didn't completely diss and insult his rap then she was just being nice and that is a
fact.
I can't see how this guy really tried to be in the culture, he goes to one MC night and shits himself before jumping in a taxi rapping Eminem to
himself. I would have had more respect if he actually says that he stayed and listened to the MC's battle and through respect for those MC he
didn't participate.
Did anybody else notice how he only described what the 2 females looked like, Maya was “beautiful” and Arrow was a “darked haired girl from enmore”,
why didn’t he describe Losty’s or Bravo’s looks.
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Quote:
1. “I sometimes fantasise I've got a 9mm stashed under the seat”?
Have you ever driven in heavy traffic in Sydney or Melbourne? I keep a pinch bar under mine! Just before Christmas is the worst...
I know South Africans who keep Shotguns under their passenger seats. That is a reality that they have brought from South Africa with them.
Not a nice thought, but when you have that gangsterism image in rap, then what do you expect people are going to think? That is another argument about
violence and TV, games, music etc…do we really subconciously take up the values and attitudes of what we see and hear as entertainment?
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2. “guns, crack and bitches were off the menu.”
Wubangers unite! That’s why MF Doom and Vast Aire etc get airplay at home and in the car…because they are lyrically interesting, not because they do
not protray that image (all the time). What he is talking of as being off the menu is “played out”, in my view. The one thing
I see at battles is the person who usually wins is the most creative and therefore is the least likely to swear. I only give a rapper one chance to
spit a verse on the above topic before I want to hear what he/she REALLY has to say…it’s the test of a real emcee.
3. Quote:
“half expected a class of sullen introverts - alienated kids with bad attitude”
I discussed this with another board member a few weeks ago. He described a Hip Hop character that always wore a hoody, and only used his eyes for
communication.
That is something that was ingrained in the culture. The alienated…its something from the past. When I went to Beat Fest…I saw a whole new generation
of kids, who for all their fashion and posing, where happy, had confidence and there was no negativity surrounding them. I was really glad to see that
as a culture we had become more awaree and more organised.
Quote:
4. Did anybody else notice how he only described what the 2 females looked like, Maya was “beautiful” and Arrow was a “darked haired girl from
enmore”, why didn’t he describe Losty’s or Bravo’s looks.
Maybe he’s NOT gay. Maybe he is a red-blooded male who actually digs good-looking chicks and tells others about them rather than hiding his
appreciation.
NEXT!
PS I am not defending this guy...I am not bouncing my own ideals or anxieties off what he has written, I do agree with Blaze that it is not good and
that when you do a colom for a major newpaper you will be comprimised in some way (editors etc)....however I will repeat that I hope the writing was
incidental to the experience.
If it is a problem for people to write about their Hip Hop experiences and or opions, and if they be they flawed or misguided, is that not what we
have magazine editors for? 
Maybe we should be higher and blame the SMM editor for stepping on Marks toes!!
[Edited on 15-4-2004 by Michael Robinson]
For much of the past 20 years, Australians (and Americans and British) have been told that losing manufacturing industry jobs doesn't matter
because financial services will replace them. We now know that the financial services industry's main products were hot air and bubbles inflated
by misrepresentation and fraud. - John Legge February 27, 2009
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OK then Michael,
I will have to get back to you regarding this, my internet time is monitored at work.
“Have you ever driven in heavy traffic in Sydney or Melbourne? I keep a pinch bar under mine!”
Yes, I have been driving Sydney streets for 15 years, I was 17 when I started, rap never made me want to carry a gun under the seat or even fantasize
about it, I don’t keep anything under the seat except coke bottles. The reason is because I believe that if somebody starts trouble then they will
also finish it, I can give you 6 examples off the top of my head where the people who went looking for trouble after someone started it ended up
dead.
“that gangsterism image in rap, then what do you expect people are going to think?” And “guns, crack and bitches were off the menu.”
That is my point Michael, if this guy is into rap like he says then surely he knows that Australian hip hop is not about guns, crack, bitches and the
gangsterism image. Why is he portraying that to his readers? Why is he so disappointed that he can’t rap about it? The first rule of hip hop writing
is “write about what you know” he is suppose to be into rap and he needed that explained to him.
“half expected a class of sullen introverts - alienated kids with bad attitude”
once again
To put those lines in an Australian hip hop article shows ignorance and a complete lack of respect.
“Maybe he’s NOT gay. Maybe he is a red-blooded male who actually digs good-looking chicks and tells others about them rather than hiding his
appreciation.”
Maybe sex sells
” PS I am not defending this guy”
are you sure?
” If it is a problem for people to write about their Hip Hop experiences and or opions, and if they be they flawed or misguided, is that not what we
have magazine editors for?”
No that is not what magazine editors are for, they are there to make sure that the story gets to them on time, they are not going to check and clarify
the contents of an article.
“NEXT!”
what? Did you slay me or something?
Michael, without a doubt I have nothing but respect and admiration for your writings. I could read every line you write 2 or 3 times. Everything that
you write has value. Your writing leaves me for dead. I have spoken to others about your writings and they agree that you are switched on. I in no way
have taken offence at what you wrote and I am sure none was intended, just like none was intended or sent when I wrote this.
Are we cool?
[Edited on 15-4-2004 by claimin_true]
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weeelllllll
in my opinion [being the child of a journo], a good writer doesn't need to rely on cliche to describe an experience. yeah, sure, there is A LOTof negative attitudes to hip hop [ie, it being the realsm of guns, hoes and crack which is a misconception] BUT i just think if he was worth his salt,
he would not need to bring these outdates criticisms to bear on an issue he knew very little about.
i guess what i man is, instead of using the crack guns and hoes as his template {"this is what i expected, but didn't necessarily get} he
could have/ should have used the actual experience as his template {"this is what went on, and there were no crackhoes or guns in sight"} do
you see what i mean? setting the negative perception first in the narrative really only serve to reinforce it, because that is what sticks in the mind
of the non hip hop reader-- there isn;t the attitude of "wow, check this fresh shit out, it's quite amazing, and evenmore amazing, it's
hip hop". the prevailing attitude seems to me to be "we all know hip hop is about guns and crack, so lets see if we can find that"
do you see what i am getting to? i am a bit nonsensical today-- hope it makes sense.
ilse
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Michael Robinson
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NEXT!
Hey Claimin..Im enjoying this debate!
Actually I was waiting on Blaze to give me a serve….
As my work mate says..."your an optimistic mongrel aren’t you?" Maybe I was trying to put a good spin on things where there is none?
Differences of opinion will alway be there, and as long as there is fun, acceptance and understanding along way then we will always be cool.
Never take things personally…these are just ideas, and thoughs that may be edited at any time upon reflection (love that edit button by the way!)
Thanks for the complement too.
[Edited on 15-4-2004 by Michael Robinson]
For much of the past 20 years, Australians (and Americans and British) have been told that losing manufacturing industry jobs doesn't matter
because financial services will replace them. We now know that the financial services industry's main products were hot air and bubbles inflated
by misrepresentation and fraud. - John Legge February 27, 2009
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gerling
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size 13
yeah, we all wish you'd shut up JOKING
nah f*ck it man, i'd be more than happy to send him a link-- even if he doesnt read it, at least i feel like there's been some sort of write
of reply. and doing nothing will achieve nothing--
props to ya big guy
ilse
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Mitch Stetron
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by gerling[/ia good writer doesn't need to rely on cliche to describe an experience...... instead of
using the crack guns and hoes as his template {"this is what i expected, but didn't necessarily get} he could have/ should have used the
actual experience as his template {"this is what went on, and there were no crackhoes or guns in sight"}......setting the negative
perception first in the narrative really only serve to reinforce it, because that is what sticks in the mind of the non hip hop reader........do you
see what i am getting to? i am a bit nonsensical today-- hope it makes sense. |
Absolutely. Good point Gerling. Had to edit coz my reply came up in a font I didn't like.
No better - stuff it!
[Edited on 15-4-2004 by Mitch Stetron]
[Edited on 15-4-2004 by Mitch Stetron]
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gerling
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thanks dude
i need to get some creative output in my life... does writing for stealth pay well??
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Cable
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Ok, so I didn't read it all...
I'm a little worried that the Chalkboard states "Graffiti art" as an element...
Am I paranoid or is someone making a veiled attempt to sanitise the validity of Graffiti in all forms by associating only to that (Graffiti), which
qualifies as art?
tsk tsk.
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idiotproof
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| Quote: | Actually I was waiting on Blaze to give me a serve….
As my work mate says..."your an optimistic mongrel aren’t you?" |
And I'm a cynical bastard.
Serve, you...no way. I like your style. While I may be crude, facile & somewhat erudite at times, I find it hard to swallow many things in the
press. if they are well researched, lucid & insightful, I don't have a problem. Whereas..if they are simplistic, naive, opinionated (without
base), & pointless...then I take great umbrage.
SMH pays better but employs hacks, whereas STEALTH only uses the noblest of talents & pays in pride.
Ahem...eh eh!
'the love of the game, is to do what you feel..' something like that.
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gerling
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mm hmmm.
so the only pay is notoriety huh?
yeah, im up for that.
when i finish my poopoo thesis, and find a place to live, and get a decent 'real' job, i'll get back to ya
[f*ck sydeny is an expensive, shitty city to be in sometimes. arent they all tho?....]
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ktpure
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| Quote: | Originally posted by S&RO
| Quote: | | Originally posted by MrIzz chalkboard from IKEA, 02 9418 2744. |
thats it i'm buying a chalkboard
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cable
I'm a little worried that the Chalkboard states "Graffiti art" as an element...
Am I paranoid or is someone making a veiled attempt to sanitise the validity of Graffiti in all forms by associating only to that (Graffiti), which
qualifies as art?
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yeah, i was thinking that myself. i guess many SMH readers would consider Graff "artists" criminals...
What a DOPE thread. Great to feel the warmth from the fire in your bellies.
I am growing very fond of your soapbox rants Size 13.
Idiotproof better watch his back.
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